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Gog and Magog, Russia, Germany, USA or Iran?

Gog and Magog, Russia, Germany, USA or Iran?

Gog and Magog

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Perhaps one of the most exploited prophecies of the Jewish Scriptures, i.e. the O.T., is Ezekiel 38–39, which speaks of Gog and Magog. Who is represented by Gog and Magog, Russia, Germany, USA, or Iran? You may be surprised to find the answer.

However, if you’re listening to John Hagee you maybe mislead to believe that Gog & Magog represents a league between modern day Russia and Iran against the modern state of Israel. Such a notion has no place in Bible prophecy. It is a figment of Dispensational imagination.

To properly understand the meaning of Gog and Magog, one must correctly interpret the nations of Ezekiel 38–39. Once this is done a proper exegesis of the chapter is in order. The net result of that process will eliminate any nation of the modern era from the parameters of biblical prophecy, the United States included. Dispensational authors almost unanimously assign Rosh, Gog, Magog, Mesheck, and Tubal as being Russia.

This resulted from the influence of such men as Herbert W. Armstrong and John Walvoord. The problem with identifying these references to Russia and Germany is a linguistic one. It is that of reading modern place names into the original Semitic terminology.

Etymology of Gog and Magog

Similarity in sound for these words is only superficial. When words migrate from one language to another, vowels may change but consonants not only remain the same, but retain their same order. See “The Nations of Ezekiel 38–39 by Fred G. Zaspel.” (The conclusions expressed here are in no wise to be attributed to that author.) Many modern “would be prophets” will use any current “evil” nation as the subject of their end time scheme to give the appearance of Biblical fulfillment.

This coupled with a few statements from the Bible that Christ is returning soon and they have the “magic formula” for sensationalizing end time prophecy, and terrifying the living daylights out of most otherwise sensible people. Of the nations mentioned in Ezekiel, three are Libya (Put) which remains today. Also there is Persia, (modern day Iran) and Biblical Ethiopia which is the land just to the south of Egypt or Northern Sudan. Togarmah, a descendant of Noah through Japheth, then Gomer, is known to Assyrian records as Tilgarimmu.It was a city state in Eastern Anatolia (Asia Minor, or modern day Turkey) a fact generally accepted. Gomer, often mistakenly referred to as Germany because of the supposed similarity of lingustic construction.

Gog and Magog is Not Russia

Rather, Gomer is well known to the ancient world as Gimarrai of north central Asia Minor (Cappodocia). They are also known as Cimmerians. Rosh, is never listed as a place in the Bible and it was never associated as a Gog and Magogplace with Meshech or Tubal. It is believed to refer to the chief prince of Mesheck and Tubal. Meshech is often erroneously referred to as Moscow.

Rather, it refers to Mushki of western Asia Minor, and is known as Phrygia, which fits very well geographically with the other terms. These were all people known to Ezekiel the prophet. Further, they were known to the N.T. writers. Peter addresses the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Asia Minor,(1 Peter 1:1). John wrote Revelation to the seven churches which were in Asia [Minor], (Rev. 1:11). Gog, much more difficult to interpret ranges in suggestions from a king of Lydia in extreme western Asia minor to a god named Gaga, a ruler of the land Sakhi, north of Assyria, and others.

According to the Septuagint, Gog may be merely an official title or general designation for an enemy of God’s people. This seems a likely description especially considering the context that Gog and Magog would launch an attack against God’s people in the last days. Magog, perhaps the most difficult to determine refers to some place in Asia Minor also.

Now, when these names are viewed as those south of Israel, as in Biblical Ethiopia (Sudan), Libya, and Biblical Persia or (modern day Iran,) then to the north of Israel as in Asia Minor, we have the “farthest north” point for the prophecy. The key is understanding the text from the ancient prophet Ezekiel’s point of view, not from modern day would-be prophets. Is there any justification to apply “Gog and Magog” to Russia, Germany, the USA or even Iran today?

Gog and Magog and the Outpouring of the Holy Spirit

USA Here are the facts from the context of Ezekiel 38–39. The prophecy would find fulfillment when God poured out his Spirit. This places the prophecy under the purview of Joel 2:28–32, within the last days of the Biblical national Israel. This is not to be confused with the modern state of Israel today.

Peter affirmed Joel’s prophecy of the Spirit was being fulfilled in the last days, (Acts 2:16–20). Further, Joel mentions that “in those days and at that time,” God would bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, but also gather all nations in the valley of Jeshophat and enter into judgment on account of his people Israel, (Joel 3:1–2). This battle is another description of the battle of Gog and Magog. It accords precisely with God’s promise to gather Israel into their land, not in 1948, but in the time of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. (Ezekiel 36:24–26; 37:12–14; 39:29; 38:80)

Compare with God’s promise of the Spirit in Ezekiel. He clearly says that when the prophecy of Gog and Magog is fulfilled, he shall have poured out “My Spirit” on the house of Israel. It would also be a time of judgment, (Ezk. 38:21–22) How can this prophecy refer to the modern state of Israel who rejects Christ as the Messiah, thus cannot receive the gifts of the Spirit, even if they were poured out today!?!

Yet those calling themselves Christians and maintaining Dispensationalism are supporting these atheists as people of God! Acts 2:16–20, made it very clear that the Holy Spirit was poured out on the followers of Christ in the first century in fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy. “This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel…”

The state of Israel formed in 1948 is anachronistic, an error in time, among others with respect to the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. They do not have the Holy Spirit as prophesied by Joel and are centuries too late for that outpouring by the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

As Joel prophesies, Ezekiel likewise sees the destruction of Gog and Magog in the last days. They would come up against God’s people like a cloud to cover the land. “It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.” (Ezk. 38:16) Now, observe that God says “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog would come against the land of Israel.” (v. 18).

These prophecies have nothing to do with modern day USA, Russia, Germany, Iran or Jerusalem. They all refer to the first century when God poured out the Holy Spirit. Now within this time, Gog and Magog came against God’s people. Thus, we must look for a nation which comes to fight against God’s people within the last days of Biblical national Israel. A people who come out of the far north in Asia minor and from as far south as northern Africa, along with all the nations.

Gog and Magog and the Messianic Banquet

At this time, God would give Gog and Magog a burial place in the land of Israel. His people would gather together from all sides and eat his sacrificial meal of victory over their enemies. Revelation 19 picks up this scene of the sacrificial meal. True to our time table, it is in the last days shortly before the end of the age, for God and Magog battle against the ascended Christ.

Gog and Magog – The Last Days’ Battle

Since we have demonstrated that this battle takes place during the time of the outpouring of the Spirit, then the battle of chapter 19, takes place after Christ’s ascension (John 7:39) but before the end of the Jewish age, for at that time, the Spirit’s ministry ends, (1 Cor. 1:7, 8).

The beast and the kings of the earth gather together to make war against Christ who sat upon the horse and against his army. This is the final last days battle of Gog and Magog. In Revelation 20, Satan (the enemy) goes out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, God and Magog to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.” (Rev. 20:9) The object of attack for Gog and Magog is the “camp of the saints” and the beloved city.”

In Hebrews we are told that the “city of the living God” is the “heavenly Jerusalem,” i.e. the general assembly and church of the firstborn ones.” (Heb. 12:22, 23). This means that Gog and Magog, whose number was as the sand of the sea, attacked the church of Christ, the new camp of God’s saints, those considered as the Jews in the Spirit, (Rom. 2:28, 29) as opposed to Jews in the flesh, (Rom. 8:9), hence the new Israel of God, (Gal. 6:16), and true sons of Abraham by faith, (Gal. 3:26–29).

Gog and Magog is then fleshly or national Israel who persecuted the saints of the first century. They are the enemies of Christ in Phil. 3, the objects of wrath in 1 Thess. 2:14–16, and the beast of Revelation who makes war with the saints, according to Daniel 7:21-22.

  1. There is no question that Jews were in Asia minor in the first century, Rev. 2:9, 3:9.2.The Re-Examination Book Gog and Magog
  2. There is no question that Jews persecuted (warred against Christians) in the first century, (Gal. 4:29).
  3. There is no question that Christians had the Spirit, while Jews did not, having separated themselves as sensual persons, did not have the Spirit, (Jude 19).
  4. There is no question that Jews gathered together with the nations, (Rome, etc Acts 4:23), to fight against the Lord and his Christ and the church.
  5. There is no question that fleshly Israel was deceived into believing that God would bless them.
  6. There is no question that fleshly Israel was numbered as the sand of sea, a designation used to refer to them repeatedly in scripture.
  7. Fire, i.e. the judgments of God came down upon Gog and Magog, i.e. upon Biblical Israel in 70 AD, (Matt. 3:10–12).

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  1. Franklin Snyder
    5 years ago

    Are you kidding? Israel (the Jewish people) are God’s chosen people. To them He gave the Torah during a revelation at Mt.Sinai. God is not a man, nor does He change His law. It most certainly means modern Israel. Furthermore, by 2030 everyone on earth will know this when the true moshiach comes. And then all peoples (Christians and Muslims also) will say, “Unto Thee shall the nations come

    ‘Our fathers have inherited nought but lies,

    Vanity and things wherein there is no profit.’

    Shall a man make unto himself gods,

    And they are no gods?” Jeremiah 19:19

    And Isaiah, “I am the LORD, and there is none else,

    Beside Me there is no God.”

    The only place Jesus is mentioned in the Torah is the 13th chapter of Deuteronomy, verse 1-6.

    Shalom


    • ATF
      5 years ago

      Valiant effort but I must say it falls short. It's always interesting when an interpreter takes a position that says exactly the opposite of what the Bible says. Note, y ou said that God does not change His law, in particularly the covenant he made at Sinai. Well, if that's true, how did Israel go from pre-Mosaic law to living under the law of Moses. Exodus 19:1ff, clearly marks such a change. See also Deut. 5:1-2. In addition, note what Paul, a Hebrew of the Hebrews and inspired by the Holy Spirit (God) to write in Hebrews. "Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. In fact, that was one of the reasons Stephen was stoned to death, because the Jews knew that he preached that God would change the customs (laws) "which Moses delivered to us." (Acts 6:14) The destruction of the temple in A.D. 70 was God's message to the world that the Old Covenant was gone forever, spoken of as the fading garment that would be folded, changed and discarded, (Heb. 1:11-12; 8:13; 12:26-27).


      • tresmegistus
        2 years ago

        atf – paul (original name saul) was a roman tax collector before converting. the children of israel from the house of judah (they were not jews) lost the right as the chosen people when they refused to recognise jesus and implement the 'law' i.e. ten commandments (torah) as given by moses. The remaining tribes of jacob and named israel) scatterred to the 'four corners' of the earth i.e east, west , south and north.


  2. Dr. Michael D. Evans
    4 years ago

    I had a certain when I read this article. Are we not to interpret the bible as it is? Its literal meaning should be considered.


    • ATF
      4 years ago

      I believe a part of your reply may be missing due to a typo. But, for the questions on Bible interpretation, yes, we should interpret the Bible literally, as long as a literally interpretation harmonizes with the text and does not contradict other texts or make statements contrary to facts. When that is the case, the text must be interpreted figuratively. For example, you could say I heard the trees talking and singing. Well, do they really? No. But that is figurative language. It is contrary to fact. Trees don't talk and they don't sing. By use of personification, a figure of speech which attributes human characteristics to inanimate objects allows one the "poetic license" to make such a literary statement. We must use the same reasoning when we are interpreting the Bible. If not, we run into all sorts of fanciful interpretations and contradictions.


  3. artaxes
    2 years ago

    Tell me. Why are comments automatically deleted?


  4. ATF
    2 years ago

    Not sure


  5. ATF
    1 year ago

    I am not aware of comments being deleted unless they contained filtered words such as profanity, etc.

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